Unbelievable, astounding science-based, logical, deductive and super-intellectual responses from the NASA paid political agents proving NASA’s integrity and “science”.

The “points” and “logic” of these perfectly sound and witty comments has sent me reeling, feeling lost, beaten, alone and drifting in the world. I am now quite certain, with the irrefutable points these intelligence superstars have made, that my view of the world has changed.

First up to bat, Chris Nation. Chrissy’s words of wit:

“Yes…very funny indeed…”

Can anyone tell us to what chris nation is referring?

Second batter, Art Gilles:

“bite down harder”

Wow, another astounding point made in favor of globe-earth theory. I am suffering, sweltering with embarrassment at how silly my scientific methodology is compared to the ….dare I say, gawd-like talent evinced by bolshevik-dick, arty.

Third bolshevik-dick, I mean, third batter, daniel d. smith. May I add, so precious is little cutie’s lie it is funny dick-dan writes. Dan-dick’s comment:

“Watch it again and start to really look at the video. The guy in red you can clearly see is an edited video but some conspiracy nutjob forget to edit out the wire as you can see it floating which means he would not have “dropped” that thing that fast.

It’s all edited to disprove nasa for the narrative of a flat earth.”

“and start to really look….”? Dick-daniel is just too lost from reality to even get language close. Did dick write… “Start to…”? Why not just simply go to the NASA website and get the source? Deflect and distract, dick-daniel, the bolshevik sub-intelligent goon “leader”. LOL. Danielsan-dick is the leader of the goon squad, and there are more.

More from me, intellect connected to gawd…

hahahahaha, dick-daniel, digging and digging, running while he sets his air on fire with anger, like the others. No picture of earth from “space”…., NOT ONE, EVER, just dig and lie, and distract and lie, and deflect and lie and lie and lie and lie. What a loser!

Can somebody verify the source of the video in question….is NOT, NAAAAAAAAAWT a plane(t) earth edit? Doesn’t that video come from NASA itself, and danny-dick knows it and LIES like a filthy bolshevik-whore!

D’oh, did daniel bolshevik-dick forget that very, VERRRRRRY important fact, FAAAAAAAACT? 

I got your back d-man. See your profile up at my site, giving you all the props you deserve.

Conspiracy….? Too funny. Only loser libs, progressive bolsheviks, and globe-earth theorists accuse others of conspiracy. And so what! THAT very vid, the one dicky-dan claims is edited by a “flat-earther” is the one posted at NASA. Let me repeat that for all investigating and those who want to know the depth of the disgusting sub-human bolshevik scum, globe-earth theorist daniel-dick bolshevik: THE VERY SAME ONE POSTED ON THE NASA SITE.

Three strikes boys. You’re outta here!

Send the next three goons. A song comes to mind…”Send in the Clowns” Next line, “…don’t bother, they’re here.


Greg Davis: “you’re not a scientist. I’ve already shut you down effortlessly. You’re just a lonely guy looking to feel important. I know your type very well. I study it. If you actually want to talk about something real, our deal still stands. I will reward you with information on one point, and a fun sticker, for every direct question you engage on-topic with a direct answer. If you’re not up for that, or simply cannot, then don’t bother speaking again. This is a discussion forum, designed to facilitate intelligent conversation about specific topics relating to the shape of the earth. It’s not a free-for-all to perpetuate insults and hate by miserable cockroaches. That is all”

My reply:

A legend in your own mind. Shut me down, with what, CGI and drawings? How would you know I am not a scientist when you do not know the first thing about experimentation, scientific methodology, or even the language of science? You are morally and cause-and-effect backward. 

How do you presume to know I am a lonely guy? Who the hell do you think you are? You trailer-trash loser presumptuous lying piece of rat crap.

You have nothing, not even a real profile. What did you provide that shut me down? Make a point, loser! How many laboratory experiments have you engineered and conducted? You can’t even speak science terminology you are so uselessly uneducated. Well, I have a pic of your profile and will publish it with your stupid words and my reply. Not even sure what loser point you think you made, but the fundamentals escape your limited lying mind. There is no science when there is no data, no observaion, and without an actual photo there is no beginning of science for globe-theory.

Globe-theory cannot even be called that until an observation is made, and there is nothing, and you know it you lying treasonous bolshevik bastard.

Can you not wrap your little mind around that reality, or are you that sick and twisted to lie to such sick extent? Wait for it, wait for it:


Barnett: “The earth’s shape is not a theory. it’s been known for millenia and has been quantified to closer and closer tolerances as time and scientific advances progress. FE? Bwahaa…. It’s nonsensical drivel..or dribble for those that foam it out their mouthes.”

Scores and scores of fake profiles all doing nothing but post fake-science, amazingly all in favor of globe-theory earth. Something is surely going on that brings so many ignorant goons together to propagate so many, and all the same, lies.

My Reply:

Known by whom? What tolerances? Barnett has no idea, surely regurgitating spew from his/her/its master handler. Again, Roger, tell us, what tolerances? What is the margin of error? Tell us what scientific progress it is that uses CGI and drawings to make a fake photo of earth, when nobody has ever been “in space”? You lying pos. Known by whom, Aristotle, Heracles, Herodotus, Jason and the Argonauts, Dustin the wind? What a loser! Nobody has known for millennia. What a sewage-sucking fraud! It is that simple.

For all reading this, by many things bolshevik-dick wrote, you can surely see how ignorant and un-scientific everything of dick-roger’s comment is. But, especially and specifically obvious is this: how does one “quantify” something that is not a quantity? 

Known for millennia? Who are you trying to fool? Even the dumbest of dumb, you anti-science, scientific methodology retards cannot be so stupid to totally ignore reality AND history. Are you really so stupid and grotesquely, fat, ugly and lying!

Your stupid pretense (millennia) is not only a stretch of gross magnitude, considering the Bible has been around for millennia, but even you, a real pseudo-person cannot be that stupid to ignore the reality that globe-theory is a theory. Do you realize that when someone says a word they mean it, like theory means theory?

But it is okay. I get where you are coming from and I have a picture of your “profile” and will post it to my site, with my reply, a shit-kicking for you for all to see, and beyond so others can see just how fake and politically motivated, sub-human you filthy bolshevik NASA agents are. You lie like a rat you filthy rotten agent provocateur.


“China has a missile that was previously thought impossible”

Yes, China has a missile nobody thought could be created, but there is evidence it can exist; that it could have been created. This evidence is observation that other missiles exist and technology applied and working in other areas has a potential to be applied to create supersonic missile technology.

This is the first phase of scientific methodology: observation.

The theory of flying bombs is more than just theory. “Flying” bombs exist. We know it. In science terminology, we call this observation. Predicting, another phase of science, is extending already observed realities using existing technology, not theory. This makes an extension of known observations possible and believable.

This extension is not possible where there is no observation such as  fake disciplines of climate changeling and “space” travel/globe-theory.

Again, theory based on theory is bad theory and can predict absolutely nothing except silly imagination.

This fertilization of imagination-based theory is the core of modeling in “science” today, particularly climate changeling and globe-earth theory and “space” travel/globe-theory.

If all one can produce is unobservable imagination of modeling and fake theory based on unsubstantiated theory, then one has nothing. When theory is based on theory, there is no evidence from which a reality can be extrapolated. This is climate changeling today, and globe-eath/space speculation.

All one need to do, to observe the unobservable climate-changeling and “space travel/globe-theory theories, is to pay attention to the words of those who promote: “models”.


Update, January 9, 2022: I have been taking pictures of profiles of those with whom I contend. I went back to find Monty’s profile, GONE!

It is time to not just boycott craigslist. It is time to interfere and destroy. I ask all those who do not use craigslist to go to craigslist and flag everything and anything. Flag for five minutes every day. It is too bad that there are innocent people that will be compromised, but better they find out now, and find better, ethical advertising. The owners/administrators of CL are evil, liars, haters of mankind, suppressing truth so evil can control.

I apologize for not copying Monty Skreeder’s original comment, found on facebook. Hopefully a rough idea of his twisted argument can be extrapolated from what I present in this one-sided commentary. There are so many comments by “people” without profiles. They are political profiles. 

I hesitate to do this because I do not want the bolsheviks to get information that provides feedback that facilitates their capacities to change and improve their evil tactics. But, it has been my experience they can’t adapt anyway, being so stuck in their narratives and lies. 

However, I bring this to your attention so you can test and grade future “discussions”.

Monty Skreeder got stuck, like a skipping record, he could not stop yakking about Trump. Do you see the absolute ignorant hatred? The dementocrat bolsheviks whip themselves into a frenzy of hate, and cannot control themselves. Their hate makes them act like dogs that just cannot stop barking at their own shadows.

Bolshevik-dick, Monty Skreeder, whatever, mainlined a hold on one point, and one point only, while I injected scores of points. Like a dumb bulldog, he could not let go, and it was/is his destruction. More than losing a discussion, being so caught up in one lie, one pretentious interpretation that he thinks dispels all other Constitutionalist interpretations, MS bleeds himself before the totalitarian centralized government globalist bolshevik movement, to destruction. Yes, that is a mouthful, but they are all connected. Organic Act of 1871 is one such example of the globalist evil seizing control of OUR country, with international banker/gangster fiat money.

MS, like all liars, thinks that if he can win one point of an argument or discussion, lying primarily to himself, it can be deduced the losing point of the opposing view, means the opposing view lied en toto, thus, that all claims are lies. I know this because it is the pattern and obvious goal one notices after hundreds, literally, of “discussion” with these moral misfits.

That is all the boneheads have, and it is not enough. You all see the numerous points I made, and still make while all that goon had was hatred. Look at the very last sentence of MS’s most recent comment… ‘hate Trump’.

I hesitate to admit this was a trap for the demented goon, like other goons that come and go. MS is like the monkey that puts its hand in a narrow necked vase to pull out a piece of fruit and when chased, will not, or does not have the brain capacity, to release the fruit that holds the monkey’s hand in the vase, that slows it from escaping.

Ms could not release his grip on one minor detail because it was connected to his hatred and his lies, and most important, his hope for winning on all points by default. Not gonna happen. MS could not, maybe cannot, escape his illogical insistence that his view, researched by a simpleton’s google, discarding the majority of constitutionalist interpretations, is lacking credibility and rationale. You decide.

This is not going to be easy for you. The enemies to your freedom and your right to choice and self-determination are at stake, and discerning your friends from foe is not going to be easy, but it must be done. Anybody who “gives” you freedom, can take it, and that is why tyranny lies and flatters, and then seizes, enslaves and kills. Where do you and yours want to be?

If my words and my “side” is as dangerous as dick claims, you had better know, and know how to avoid. But that is not the actual issue. The real challenge is YOU, knowing, from any source, real or fake, what is truth and who you can trust.

Again, READ and learn.

Abraham Lincoln, the great emancipator of ALL Americans, was asked how he studied and prepared for debate. He said he studied his opponent’s argument at least twice as much as his own. He needed to learn his opponent’s weaknesses, like you need to know your enemies’ conceit and fraud. I have laid much of it out for you. But, again, your freedom is yours to acquire and yours alone, or it belongs to those who deceive you.

I am sure this is not over. The bolsheviks never cease. Be ready, yourselves, to fight, or you will find yourselves in the clutches and control of the wrong “people”


Let us look at an object directly out to sea from a beach position.. There is a problem that most do not see. If the circumference of the earth is 24,901 miles, then a one degree deviation would be 69.17 miles, 360 degrees making up a whole circle, or globe.

Every experiment shown on youtube and elsewhere, that I have seen, states that there are numerous degrees of “drop” within a much smaller distance. The ratio is 1 degree to every 69.17 miles. For every 69.17 miles you travel there is only a one degree deviation, or drop.

Can you see a one degree deviation at almost 70 miles?

My observation is that, at 70 miles the drop would be one degree. One degree divided by 360 degrees produces a ratio of 0.00278 to one. So if a ship is 200 feet tall only 0.00278 of it should disappear: 0.556 feet, at 69.71 miles.

A building of 500 feet, at a full 69.71 miles out, such as one used in one of many observations, should drop out of sight by only 0.00278 X 500 or about 1.389 feet.

When many explain that such and such a thing on the horizon drops due to curvature, they use a ratio from nowhere. 

In the following youtube video:

the producer claims much of a wind turbine 29 nautical miles from shore has been lost from sight, as he presents, almost half of its height. I am astonished at how anti-mathematical this producer is. He claims he is looking at a wind turbine that is 29 nautical miles from the beach on which he stands. 29 nautical miles converts to 33.35 miles. At 33.35 miles the curvature of the earth would be less than one half of one degree: 33.35/69.17, or .482 degrees.

Even if the windmill is as tall as he claims it could be, 180 meters, or 590.4 feet, at less than one half of one percent of drop, the windmill should only disappear 590 feet X 0.00278 feet per 69.17 mile distance, X .482 + .7864 feet. This is about 9 inches.

We see a lot more distortion than a mere drop, over 33.35 miles, 

It is impossible that a distance of 33.15 miles produces such a drastic drop in elevation. Clearly there is a different variable involved.

If we were to triangulate and look at a ship moving away from a point would we se the tilt of the mast way from the beach location, for example, due to curvature? Incidentally, I have never seen a study or experiment that tests this.

If I were to stand 33.35 miles away from the point on the beach in a line perpendicular to the line of sight of the original position, would I be able to see the mast tilt away from the beach? The distance I would be making my observation would be much more, but only due to angle of observation. Would I now see less than .482 of a degree of tilt from well over 33.35 miles? The hypotenuse would be 1.414 times the distance from the original beach point or 47.16 miles. How could one tell with the tossing of waves and ship?

If I could see that far I would only be looking for a 33.35/69.71 ratio of one degree of dip, or tilt of the mast. It is imperceptible. Furthermore, the angle is less due to the angle away from direct observation, which would be directly to the side of the windmill.

In the producer’s example he shows the windmill clearly losing half its height. Impossible.


JR Emiston:

I never call flat earthers conspiracy theorists. At best, I call them ill-informed. Many, not all, misunderstand scientific terms, such as ‘theory.’ Many, not all, are also guilty of poor English, which diminishes their (already severely limited) credibility

My Reply:

Does JR mean poor grammar? It appears JR has less of an understanding of communication than he would have others believe. Theory is not a term, rather a word. I could just as easily write that globers have no understanding of some scientific terms, as does JR, but JR totally missed the whole picture. Science is not just a few words, and theory is not scientific in the least. The whole picture is referred to as scientific methodology, and theory is only a beginning, wondering upon observation of change. Theory leads to hypothesis which is then proved or disproved by the whole process of isolating a variable, measuring before and after, setting up test and experimental conditions, collating, and interpreting data. Theory is totally void of data. Furthermore, when someone uses the term conspiracy theory, besides being clear they do not know what it is, they admit they have nothing except insult and a poor, worn-out cliché, a brazen attempt to distract from lack of data, measurements, the whole scientific process. It is an attempt to make ignorant believers of others. It is wrong, immoral, dishonest, and self-destructive. Those who “create” data by lying and insulting with name-calling, such as conspiracy theorist, are liars, not to be believed, trusted, or given a shred of credibility. Conspiracy theory name-calling is very much like crying wolf. It leaves the cryer vulnerable by his ir her own misguided, self-serving fabrications. Cry wolf 3 times and when a real wolf attacks, nobody helps. This simple postulate applies in everything. so when I am called a conspiracy theorist, I realize I am being assailed by a conspiracy theory theorist, that is totally ignorant of almost everything. And JR, basically called flat earth believers, conspiracy theorists. There is only one “side” of politics that runs away from a fight with the term “conspiracy theory”. Sad to be part of a losing “theory” that cannot present decent, honest arguments. I could not live as such a sub-human. I adjust when faced with reality. After all, isn’t the survival of the “fittest” idea, in reality, survival of those who adapt to change? I did believe the earth was a globe. Not sure now, especially since the biggest argument is to use distraction and insult, calling plane earth believers conspiracy theorists.


Captain James T. Kirk, William Shatner in space. NO. It is a SCAM!

The “space” trip is a unique roller coaster ride in the stratosphere, not space.

The reports are that Shatner was in space for 10 minutes. Where? Was he in the stratosphere? If, as the “NEWS” reports claim, he experienced weightlessness for a few seconds, then he was not in space. It is the apogee of flight, experienced even in an elevator when it begins to move downward. Such organized, bs, especially from that dimwitted, lying bolshevik bitch, bozo bezos.

What purpose did this fake event serve? Who believes Shatner was in space? All those who believe Shatner was in space also believe many things related. Let us just begin with one thing: that bozo bezos’ craft has the power, force, lift or whatever is needed to escape the atmosphere. Does this bring into question the capabilities and capacities of other craft, including NASA “ships”, and their abilities to leave the planet?

As of yet, over 50 years later we have still not seen a picture of the earth. All representations are drawings.

Did Shatner take pictures, a picture of space, space travel, the earth or the darkness of space itself? No?

We briefly saw a video clip but removed, unavailable on eff bee. Were the pictures of the earth in the back ground drawings too?

Are there no windows in bozo besos’ craft? If we had windows in the first craft to enter space, why not now? Were they real windows? How could they be so big when other aircraft cannot sustain pressures of much smaller windows at lower elevations andhence, lower pressures?

Using computers, 50 plus years ago, that had less memory, speed and capabilities than our phones today, somehow, magically, We, humans, The U.S.A., NASA in particular, managed to produced space craft with windows, and take a picture, but no pictures from bozo bezos. Weird, isn’t it?

If you were to go into space would you not want to show pictures? If you were advertising space travel, at a price, would you not market your product enticing, using visual proof?

This is a major scam. Right now, when we are distracted from the bolshevik biden administration as they seize control of production, transportation, heat, movement and everything to keep We, the People free, and living.

This is the beginning of dementocrat/bolshevik-progressive genocide, and you all walked right into it.

Biden and the bolsheviks not only must be removed, they must be eliminated to save our world. The rulers have, as their prime goal, the elimination of approximately seven billion people: you and yours.

The bastards, the international bolshevik bankers have hung their flags in our institutions, declaring admiralty/corporate/maritime law, over our Constitutional Law, in declaration of wartime rule. Gold borders and gold tassels indicate these verities. It is war against YOU, me, all of us except those the dementocrats identify as subservient and permitted. Your face mask is only one part of your permission to live. You, 95 percent of YOU, WE, the People, do not have all the qualifications for permission to live, and they will be coming for you, more and more as seizure of OUR economies, rights, and freedoms are executed.



Bozo bezos went into space 7/21/21, no pictures of earth?

Who in his or her right mind would go into space and not take pictures of earth?

What, no windows in “space” craft?

Who would be so stupid to not put a window in a space craft?

The Apollo mission, Apollo 8, took pictures through a window in the craft. Can scientists, engineers and space geniuses not put a window in a launch vessel today?

Everybody knows bozo is a liar. Is this more proof? Did bozo get burned up in the Van Allan Belt? No?

Did NASA forget that the Van Allen Belt is not traversable? How did the astronauts get through in 1969 on their way to the moon? How did the astronauts manage to get to the moon, through the deadly Van Allen Belt, take pictures of the earth through a window, but bozo could not?

Videos abound because NASA forgets.

Here it is, “NASA engineer admits they can’t get past the Van Allen Belt.”

So many bozo can tell us what he was actually doing, and why he had to “go into space” at this particular time, and what he actually did. Why is he misleading the world?

REGARDING CRAIGSLIST POST, “The Demise of our Mother (Dead Lake City Waste-Land)

Re” The Demise of our Mother (Dead Lake City Waste-Land)”, posted June 11th 2021 in Salt Lake City.

I am going to have fun with this one.

I love bashing stupid clichés and regurgitated presumptions.

Can the “writer” show us the life of the earth? Where is the blood, the lungs, the breath, the fire that consumes oxygen to create energy?

We have yet to see a real picture of our “planet”. 

All the pictures we see are drawn or computer generated. On youtube (I dare not provide a link) you can find the actual artist who has redrawn the world. How can we believe the earth is a living being when we have not really ever seen it from the heavens?

That may seem to be a bit of a disconnect to many who want to start talking theories etc.

May I remind you all that evolution, Darwin’s Theory of Natural Selection, Einstein’s theory of relativity; all these things are theories. May I remind you that travel through the Van Allan Belts has become a problem but somehow, magically, not knowing about them in 1969, with prehistoric computers, We, America, so-called, managed to pass through these deadly, unknown radiation belts without a problem. NASA has published, on youtube, a number of descriptive explanations of why we do not go to the moon these days, because the Van Allen Belts are lethal. The conundrum, the obvious decades-long contradictions and inherent incongruities can be found for those who simply try to put past moon trips and current incapabilities of space travel beyond earth, together. Again, it is presented that it is impossible to get past the Van Allan Belt.

So many inconsistencies, for those who look for answers and truth, lead you to wonder, how we see the earth accurately.

How do people manage to think the earth is a living breathing thing? Where are the lungs?

So, the point is that a doctor might be presented with a symptom to use for a diagnosis. Is it important to know if the symptom, exposed capillaries, for example, is found in a certain part of the body? Are exposed capillaries in the lungs a problem, or part of natural breathing?

The earth is not a living breathing thing. Living and breathing, to describe earth, is a metaphor so the author’s claims that earth is being abused or dying, is just stupid metaphorically and even dummer realistically.

What makes the earth “mother earth”? Is it another metaphor? YES! No? Where are the genitals to prove one way or another? Metaphoric genitals? Metaphoric female, then!

What constitutes the demise of our metaphoric mother earth? Is it a metaphoric assault, insult, injury? Yes! Someone claims they are superior because they/he/she/it has a concern for a metaphoric demise and the results should be above metaphoric  imposition and taxation for others, We, the People, specifically.

The “writer” adds a cartoon caption and picture of a Native American, an Indian, as I know them, stating, for that tribe or person, that, “WE ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD HAVE BUILT A WALL”

Is “writer” admitting that walls work to save cultures and people? Surely!

Would the natives have built walls to protect themselves from warring tribes? Not smart enough?

“writer” claims readers cannot step out of boxes, more clichés, to make rational observations: rational according to a “writer”/regurgitator spewing metaphors and clichés. Who formed the land and for what reason?

The “writer” attacks mormons. Who says the land was stolen, and from whom, those who were not smart enough to build walls? How is a land identified as belonging when there are no markers, like a wall?

The “writer” has an obvious hatred for mormons, and that hatred goes beyond rationality.

It is not mormons appropriating the land bolshevik-dick, regurgitator of hate-motivated disinformation and dementocrat propaganda, claims.

I find it amazing, too, that dickl adds “fracking” to the fray.

Fracking works. Fracking does not destroy. Fracking has been purposely maligned by dementocrat/bolshevik propaganda. The primary source of hate for fracking comes from a movie, not unlike Al Gore’s silly movie, “An Inconvenient Truth”, in which goofy Al shows a picture of fish swimming in the streets of Florida cities, pretending the waters are rising. Nothing of the such; nothing even close to that fabrication, has happened. Fracking has been shown, in many videos and truthful investigations to do none of the damage the regurgitators claim. Go look for yourselves, or remain ignorant, and shut up!

Who is poisoning the air? Find out and let us know. We have laws already in place restricting emissions. Who is in violation? Nobody, just another democrat bolshevik/progressive bogey man so the dementocrat bolshevik/progressives can oppress the majority with illegal, dishonest impositions and oppression?

We are not their people! Does “writer” understand freedom or is “writer” just another political agent hired to misinform and lead We, the People to accept tyranny’s yoke in ignorance? Again, show us how we belong to “them”.

Dick has the gall to call mormons and the so-called “theirs” <b>“wage slave bitches”</b>. Wow, that is amazingly real, or metaphoric. Such vacillating between reality (as little as there is in dick’s ramblings) and fallacy, is by design. Emotional swings are meant to create mental dysphoria, and fear and hence, submission.

The world is not a living breathing thing that can be killed. Start there and learn. Suppose it could be killed, who actually is killing it? Are natives contributing? YES. Is bolshevik-dick, agent provocateur, regurgitator of bolshevik/progressive propaganda contributing? YES.

When the hypocrites, bolshevik-dicks, their masters and the dementocrat/progressive goons start setting examples, we will follow. When the goons of tyranny give up their vehicles, their heated homes, their plastic phones, clothing and toys; when the goons of tyranny surrender their petroleum based blankets and towels, and watches and shoes, and hats, and homes, we will follow. Until then, their word, lies in reality, are worthless, and 90 percent of everyone knows it.