WHY WEAR A MASK? WHY DOCTORS WEAR MASKS IN SURGERY

I stopped in for a coffee. A few thoughts on my mind, had to get them down before the impact slipped away. It usually doesn’t but quite anxious with the revelations.

I will be adding to this later today I hope.

It has bothered me for a long time, from the very beginning, and I wondered why nobody else noticed. Why do doctors and nurses in surgery wear masks?

Why do doctors and nurses making rounds in hospitals not wear masks?

Sine when has a mask been effective against a virus, I mean, besides never?

Since when is a mask effective in preventing HIV, “flu”?

Tell us all about immunity to the “flu”. How many people get “flu” shots every year, and still get the “flu”? How does that qualify as immunity?

How many studies have been done regarding “flu” shots and the reduction of severity of “infection”? NONE?

All the science Faucenstein, walensky, dunn, all the bastard bolshevik media and dementocrat anti-representatives claimed is and was from the beginning, a lie.

There is no science to dementocrat “science”.What happens to an open wound in surgery? Suppose a bacterium from a doctor’s sweat drips onto a wound, unseen. What happens. Does the person get a viral infection? NO! The wound is infected and the bacterium eats the flesh. This is what infection is.

There is no such thing as a viral infection. There are no “flu” cases or “covid cases where there is no sickness. There is no bacterial infection of an incision when there is no sign of infection.

We have been grossly deceived from DAY !, all for evil tyranny. These bastard bolsheviks have colluded with international bolshevik movements, in America called “progressives”.

We can thank the corrupt dementocrat party for giving us the proper word to describe the organized deception: collusion.

Does a viral infection break down and eat flesh? NO! Viruses, even “flshi-eating” viruses do not eat flesh. Viruses have no way of assimilating like  cell does.

“covid” is a strain of “flu”. There is no such thing as immunity from covid or “flu” or any virus. EVER! No immunity can be gained from natural body responses, or vaccinations.

Doctors and nurses in surgery wear masks to protect from transmission of bacteria. Virus protection is not a factor but the corrupt CDC NIH, walensky faucenstein, the whole dementocrat party, the media, the advertising corporations, WHO, rino party and social media have colluded from the very beginning with this fundamental lie: masks are for bacteria.

In fact, viruses do not infect. “Flu” does not infect the lungs when someone contracts “Fflr”
The doctor notices bacteria and reports to the patient he or she has bacterial infection

In fact, viruses do not pose a concern for open wounds getting infected and festering. This is all a function of bacteria. We have never heard, ever, from anyone, doctor, nurse, plumber or the most ignorant dementocrat in the country (ties for that spot) that the lungs are infected with viruses. We have heard the lungs are infected with bacterium, however.

Do the bastard bolsheviks, faucenstein,walensky, dunn, jill bite-me,  Joseph stealing biden, ever speak of the differences between viruses and bacterium, and the ways these are transmitted and what they do to the body? NO, they want the masses to remain ignorant and fearful, as usual, fearful of ghosts in the bloodstream.

In fact, the bastard bolshevik, all should be hung for treason and murder, genocide, crimes against humanity. They lied from the very beginning, knowing full well, their lies and manipulation, and attempts to seize tyrannical control. THEY are evil.

They are hiding truth in everything. FOX news, today, in Salt Like City, reported thousands of new “cases” and 17 new deaths. Old deaths? Oh, they were all old and infirm, and close to dying with or without the phantom, virus, “covid”; the only virus discovered and noted through politics, through political science.

These are stupid, stupid, stupid, dishonest “people”. Yauney, slut Cronk, the big dude, bog wooden-head, whatever; all lying pieces of rat crap, all enemies of We, the People; lying and living a fallacy imposed for them, using willing liars devils and idiots!

Hang them all!. Start with ex-guv herbie, all governors who met in secret NGA meetings and brought their lies to the respective states, and imposed vile, evil, sick and twisted, demented lies of lockdowns upon innocent, trusting people.

I wrote about the grotesque lies herbert, the department of health and the demented liberal media colluded to provide a fallacy of a ghost-virus; a ghost “flu”, fear and cowering, regarding the first Utah “death by “covid”. The pattern was followed in almost all states. Go look.

You can find my dissection of the lying media’s attempt to manipulate reality and create fear. See my articles of March 22, 24, and 29th, 2020: UTAH GOVERNOR, GARY HERBERT DICTATES AND SEIZES UNAUTHORIZED CONTROL, BEWARE THE TREATMENTS AND DRUGS FOR COVID-19. ARE THEY REMEDIES, CURES?, and UTAH’S FIRST COVID CASE. QUO BONO? WHO BENEFITS FROM COVID-19? SOMEBODY OR SOMEBODIES SURELY WILL

And these filthy pigs act like they are public servants; morally superior to We, the People. Such filth in their minds hidden like vampires skulking in the dark of corrupt media and pharmakaia (sorcery).

Dunn, her husband, Utah governors herbert, cox, and leavitt, and their wives; Romney, and his bitch, jimmy-boy mattheson, and mendenhall and mcadams and their spouses; all these filthy reptilian bolshevik whores lied and profited, and people died. They have executed a bigger serial murder against We, the People than is obvious. The vaccines are designed to kill.

Hang them all!

ANOTHER ASTOUNDING DISCONNECTION FROM REALITY FROM JUAN WILLIAMS, AMERICA’S RESIDENT DUMMY

Juan Williams, moral retard of the century, just cannot stop presenting the dumbest disconnects to ever plague reality and mankind. It is hard to describe the absolute, the totalitarian, the near-perfect stupidity and moral depravity of this goat liar.

Just look at him. The epitome of stupid looking, and integrity-stupid to think anybody falls for his unbelievably stooooopid lies and fabrications.

Today, November 2nd, 2021, I received a twitter email highlighting an article juan wrote.

I did not even bother to read it, juan is so morally retarded, that his reputation as the snake of all time, precedes him/it.

The headline is enough to just hit that moron again.

It was juan, commenting on Fox News’ anniversary, like other reporters saying he was the opposing view but he believed everybody had respect for him.

How delusional is that bloody moron?

Nobody liked juan. Nobody had or has respect for juan, He is a liar. Juan lies so much his crap does not know how to escape his cause-and-effect-retarded body, spewing, most often from his ugly yap.

Everyone on The Five hated juan, because he lies and lies and lies and hates and hates, and presents the most ridiculous stupidity in the world, even dumber than creepy, sleepy, drippy joe, and tamara Gump holder.

I cannot say enough negative about this lying piece of rat crap.

This buffoon….so stupid!

So the headline is, “Juan Williams Likens Parents’ Rights’ To White Supremacy”

Where on bloody earth does that simp get that connection? Notice dip-twit williams never explains his ghastly, sub-intelligent theories. There are a number of reasons for this.

First, he is laughed at, despised and corrected almost right out of the studio every time the lying simpleton opens his ugly, spewing face. Second, he cannot tell anything real even to make a decent lie out of a total fabrication.

Where, is white supremacy in America? Where is white supremacy in parents caring for their own children? NOWHERE except in williams’ spew-filled, ugly head!

Do American blacks defend their children? Are they white supremacists? How utterly, bone-headed retarded can anyone get, to make a claim about parents loving and protecting their children? This attack on decency and individual rights by moral-reject williams is the grossest and most deceptive hate in America, playing the ultimate dummy to get away with the most egregious hatred. Beat that piece of rat feces.

I will be the first to punch that ugly, useless dementocrat sack of shit in the face for lying to America for all these years. He is worse, even, than tamara Gump holder, who whined that she got caught in her lies by hannity, every day.

She bemoaned her lot for being the whipping boy, so to speak, every time she got caught lying. She is trailer trash. Listen to her talk. You can take the trash out of the trailer, but the self-aggrandizing trailer trash queen, gumpy, cannot get the trash out of her head, vocabulary and tone.

Williams is worse for lying, hating and deluding, and trailer trash mentality.

Williams’ lies are not only more egregious than everyone in the world, even butt-head bolshevik biden, but he represents the absolute stupidity of dementocrat elitists, bolshevik progressives, and the dumbed-down morons antifa and BLM have tricked into risking their own lives for dementocrat tyranny.

Cry-baby yuan had me kicked off twitter because I critiqued his lies. Bolsheviks cheat and anyone who lies as much as cchhhhhuuan cheats as much.

Juan is the consummate liar and hoaxer.

I remember my friend’s mother telling my friend, as a new, young auto driver, that keeping the tank full of gasoline resulted in better mileage. I remember both of us laughing, trying to not embarrass his mother, but it was so ludicrous, and bloody stoooopidly obvious, we could not help ourselves. Juan is a thousand times dumber and deceitful, being the epitome of outlandish stoooopid, and this escape of reality, today, to ensconce hatred, is just another of thousands of examples of juan’s hatred for America, Americans, truth, freedom, honesty, integrity, and love. Truly Juan is a hater of all that is good, and a liar trying to destroy everything he/it hates. Juan is a devil, a satan worshiping, in deed, asshole of the century. Hang the traitor!

It irks me that chchchchchuan lied and was paid so much over the years for lying and dividing this country. I have written at length regarding juan’s place in the bolshevik takeover and impending genocide, and he should be hung, like all the lying dementocrats. I will place the noose, and pull the lever.

Go to hell juan, you lying collection of rat feces in a sack!

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DIE EVERY YEAR “WITH” THE “FLU”, “COVID”.

Millions of people in the United States die every year “with” the “flu”. Is it reported that they die with the flu? Do children who die of leukemia, for example, die with the “flu”? YES, every single child that dies of leukemia, and any disease, has “flu”, and covid”. But these children are not included in statistics that show they died of “flu”.

qWould it be deceptive, fraudulent to claim that a child who died of leukemia died of “flu”? Yes, it would be. Would it be fraudulent, deceptive to claim a child who died of leukemia died of the “flu”? Yes, it would.

Why is the “covid” different? What variable in this equation makes “covid” different?

We all have “flu” and “covid”, right now. We all have it, it will not go away. Bacterium and viruses live in our bodies. They find lodging in acidic environments. You, we, every single one of us has “flu” and “covid”, right now, and always.

Comparatively, a handful of Americans have died with “covid”, if it exists. Why is it reported that so and so died “with covid”? It is reported that so and so died with “covid” because “covid must entrenched in the public mind with a degree of truth to counter the fraud.

It is advertised to make a report of “covid” but with a deceptive degree of disclosure to give the appearance of honesty.

Who does this? Corrupt media, television, the state-owned departments of health? Yes.

The “flu” kills more children, every year, but it is not pandemic. How many children die of influenza every year? It is not reported. “flu” is reported. Why is “covid” treated so different, 

Colin Powell died “with covid”. He also had “flu” symptoms, and diabetes symptoms, and insanity and dementia symptoms. Why does the corrupt media not mention he died with these other conditions and diseases?

Some people actually die of “the flu”, or influenza. We have not eradicated that strain of coronavirus. What makes anyone think or believe the “covid” can be eradicated, or defeated?

Listen to the rhetoric, the language used to “fight” disease.

The cancer society reports in numerous ads that the fight with cancer is a fight people engage in. Silly!

How does one actually fight cancer? Do we isolate cancerous cells and beat them up, beat them into disease-free submission?

What is slash and burn cancer treatment? More people, it is reported by the AMA, die of chemotherapy than cancer. Why?

Is the fight against cancer misguided, deceptive, whacky through and through?

Why are we led to believe this is a fight against a virus, “covid”?

Who is fighting and how? Is it accomplished by beating “covid” into submission? How is the “fight” against a pretended deadly virus fought? Is it fought with wokists yelling and calling it names? Remember, “it” cannot be called a girl or boy because wokists are frail and dumb, literally..

Yelling at and canceling works for the wokesters on everything else (they think). Why not “covid”?

How many people died of something, and had the “flu”? How many people actually died of influenza, last year, for example? How many died of a different strain of “flu”, “covid”, last year? It is all the same.

“Covid” is not killing people like the corrupt media and dementocrats claim.

Look around. Do you see quarantined houses, streets? The influenza epidemic produced such effects. Look around, listen. Do you hear ambulances flying down the streets every hour, taking bodies and sickly “covid” “flu” sufferers to hospitals? No?

Where is the pandemic? Like everything else it is on television.

Do not be surprised that the reality of covid is televised only by corrupt media.

Captain James T. Kirk, in actuality, an actor, William Shatner, went into a television-fabricated, corrupted media, area of the stratosphere and called it space.

Do not be surprised that vampires and zombies actually do exist, on television.

Do not be surprised that irrefutable gas increases, over 100 percent, are reported as a 50 percent increase.

Do not be surprised that corrupt media reports baby killing, genocide amongst American black peoples, as abortion, or a woman’s choice. Did they forget that half the babies they kill are young women whose choices are taken, by blood, gore and evil?

Do not be surprised that democracy, a subversive, despised word and philosophy, hated by the founding fathers, has replaced true representative self-governing. Only on corrupt television is dementocracy “good” and synonymous with freedom.

Only in the corrupt media do we find hearsay and rumor, non-witnesses, reported as witnesses, while real witness goes unreported by the corrupt media whores (biden implicated by actual participants in scandals and influence peddling and treason, selling goods to Americans’ enemies).

Do not be surprised that “covid” and “flu”, and other poisoning results appear as beneficiary to mankind, by corrupt media, on television.

Again. Few die of influenza. Few die of “covid”, if any. Yes, my opinion and I am entitled to it.

Few die of breast cancer, for example. Losing breasts does not kill anyone. Few, if any, die of prostrate cancer. Remove the prostrate and other organs function, as they should, just fine, if it is only prostrate or breast cancer that afflicts the sufferer.

You see, we are deceived to no end. A rose by any other name is still a rose, except on television where it could be a black poisoned rose: Disney, anyone?

Rat poison by any other name is still rat poison, except on television where the poisonous bye-product of petroleum processing dumps it into our drinking water and claims it is magically good for teeth. Fluoride is one of mankind’s deadliest toxins.

So, how many died this year so far, with rat poison? How many died this year with “flu”? Not counted. Nobody knows. Nobody tests for influenza. Why test for corrupt media-generated “covid”?

How many died this year with “covid”? Nobody knows.

Of the millions of unreported “flu” deaths, wherein the primary cause of death is obviously not “flu”, how many actually had “flu” virus in their systems? EVERYONE!

We all have “flu”. But, like any dis-ease it does not affect us when we are healthy. 

How many people in the United States, since the media created “covid”, experienced a period of loss of taste and smell? Unreported? Like everything else!

It is impossible to attribute deaths to “covid”, as the corrupt media does, simply by claiming someone died with it.

A car accident in which someone dies of trauma, bleeds to death, as it were, who may have “flu” or cancer, does not die of “flu” or cancer. The report is that someone was killed in a car accident.

Why is “covid” different?

Let us look at “covid” fear for what it is.

People who die of cancer, Colin Powel, today, October 18th, 2021, did not die of “covid”. Why is it reported that he died with it? It generates a fear of existence, in your mind.

Do vampires exist? In your mind, yes. In fact I would bet that if you did a poll and asked if vampires exist, you would find a percentage of Americans believe vampires do exist. Could they point one out, or identify one, give a name? No, but somewhere, somehow, in some strange land or underground society, maybe even in their city, vampires must exist because it is possible, because television claims it.

Does “covid” exist? In your mind, yes. People who die with “covid” do not die of “covid” make up an astounding majority of “covid deaths”. Could people, who understand “covid”, “flu”, and car accident deaths claim for certain they know someone who actually died of “covid”? NO!

When the very first case of “covid” in Utah was fabricated by governor Herbert and the department of health, as a death by covid, every following “covid death” is suspicious. This happened in every state. The NGA, National Governors Association colluded with media to create a fear of “covid”.

Covid exists in the minds of people, planted by television, corrupt media and corrupt dementocrat party bolshevik/progressives.

I have stated there are innumerable ways of creating a fake pandemic. Pan, meaning all, does not accurately describe the “covid” fabrication. Testing and finding “covid” strain of “flu” does not make a pandemic. The key factor in pandemic is sickness, and hundreds of millions of people with innumerable viruses in their system does not make pandemic, except on television where a man who experiences gravity-free flight for a few seconds, in the upper stratosphere, is magically reported as being in space.

There is no space travel if all we witnessed, ourselves, in the corrupt media, is less than one minute of flight in apogee, not space.

There are no vampires, except on television made by the corrupt media.

There are no zombies, except on television made by corrupt media.

There are no great or prostrate cancer deaths, except on television made by corrupt media and pharmakaia (sorcery).

There is no influenza killing anyone. Even the media never reports the flu as influenza. The flu is glue. It is a simple formula. Vitality = power – internal resistance.

Toxins, poisons, foreign objects, cells responding to uric acid, for example, in a joint, all create resistance to life.

This is what corrupt media and pharmakaia does not want you to know.

Do an experiment. Stop eating sugar and processed foods for a day. Drink a gallon of distilled water, no soda, alcohol or coffee (unless honey is added). For breakfast eat a handful of raw organic sunflower seeds and organic broccoli.

Take note of how you feel in ten minutes and after four hours, when you might be thinking of stopping at a processed glue factory for lunch. Glue (white flour and processed “wheat”), clogs the body like grease clogs an engine.

Strengthen the body and “flu” and “covid” do not exist, except on television.

Part 2, strengthening the organism is like getting better at batting.

LORI, SKELETOR, LIGHTFOOT, SUB-HUMAN SCUM, BOLSHEVIK-PIG, ENEMY TO WE, THE PEOPLE

Am I promoting violence? No. The bastard bolsheviks have been attacking and killing for decades, and the pace is increasing. I advocate self-defense pre-emptive retaliation: an attack justified as if an invading army had camped within the borders of a sovereign nation.

Lori, skeletor, lightfoot is a filthy bolshevik pig.

What else can I say? She is somehow authorized or powerful enough to threaten the police? How does this work? How did she acquire power of life over death? Who gave that to her and why is she not taken out back and pummeled?

What an ugly, filthy, lying piece of human waste that scum lightfoot is. Just look at her and listen to every sentence, every lie that piece of human feces speaks. And this pig, this ugly skeletal pig has the gall to lie and steal, and berate, and abuse, and bully and lie, and lie, and steal! Hang that media-generated, bolshevik whore!

Take it outside, strip it guy, hang it by one foot, beat it til it bleeds, take pictures for all the bolsheviks in America  too ee, and watch the dementocrat party and media miraculously change. They will stop lying and hating you, me, America. Hang them all.

What we need is a renaissance, a change to decency and truth.

The French Revolution is miraculously painted as ruthless and dirty. The resistance to “royalty” and political exploitation is portrayed as dirty verimin-ridden, animals. It is not true. There was a cleansing in France and, yes, it did get out of hand, due to human foibles, but there were trials based on treason to the people. What you see is that there were ruthless, undisciplined accusations against the decent exploiters of humanity, the aristocracy, and these accusations resulted in execution without trial or with no defense or due process. How, then, did it take years to get through the accusations and trials if time was not spent?

We need a cleaning in America.

May I suggest we arrest every single dementocrat politician, in the country, hold them in prison until their trials. We take the first 100 who talk, give them immunity from death penalty for treason, and let them make cases against their evil peers.

Did I add that word, that presumption, “evil”? I certainly did.

Pelosi, schumer, waters, nadler, lightfoot, all dementocrat politicians know the company they keep is with the International, globalist, sub-human, moloch priesthood: the bolshevik progressives seizing everything to eliminate 7 billion people: YOU and YOURS.

It is either them or you and I.

DICTATOR-SLUT MENDENHALL UNDERMINED OUR REPRESENTATIVE PROCESS

I do not apologize for my language. Slut comes from the French salotte, dirty, and we all know what a whore is. No doubt I have been identified by the “authorities”. We are all tracked, marked, and manipulated. I believe I am one of the freest men alive.

I call people names to be accurate. If you do not like it and you decide to be above the rhetoric, then go back to your ignorance and cower in place, not knowing your enemies from friends. That has been the mark of mankind, the ignorant suffer for no apparent reason except that criminals, dictators and evil people exploit, use and eliminate them.  

Erin Mendenhall stated, August 18th in a televised dictate, that she found a loophole in the law that OUR representatives enacted in behalf of the majority of Utahns.

OUR law states no school board or business can mandate or force people, especially children, to wear masks. A mandate, bye the way, is not a law.

Mendenhall claimed she found a loophole so she could “mandate”, dictate, in opposition to the rule of law, the Law of We, the People. Did that whore forget that the law belongs to We, the People? Did that bolshevik whore forget that Constitutional Law is supreme, over this curious anomaly, mandates that are nowhere to be found in Constitutional, self-governing, representative law?

Slut mendenhall claims she found a loophole. Was she looking for a loop hole? Why? Was she looking for a loophole so she could dash and undermine OUR representative process? Who instructed her?

Who gave slut mendenhall that dictatorial power, you, by obedience to anti-representative dictates?

Dictators do not simply take authority unto themselves and they certainly have no power until others obey.

Her top concern is the health and safety of children, she claims? That is a grotesque lie from a grotesque bolshevik slut!

The scummy bitch mendenhall may look nice, but she is a filthy, genocidal maniacal, whore. I mean that literally. She is somebody’s or something’s whore, destroying OUR representative process for something not publicly known, directed by someone and/or something also unknown. She is OUR enemy. OUR self-governance takes precedence over everything and we deiced to take our chances with the fake covid pandemic. It is pandemic only by media manipulation.

That slut mendenhall is to be totally and completely ignored, fired, and then her gains revoked.

How much money she makes from We, the People is surely eclipsed by the lying, cheating and under-the-table gains she is acquiring: recruited to exploit and use We the People.

You have got to ask, from where does she get her direction to do all that is contrary to what We, the People of Utah want? From whom or what is she getting her confidence to dictate as a dictator, as evil tyranny does? This is a serious consideration. Who is coaching her? No dictator just steps into the right manipulative decision every time. Slut dictator mendenhall has information in advance to be able to move the public along with timed and planned tactics.

The tactical questions of seizing power and control of others has numerous challenges. The biggest is coordinating with collaborators. I have mentioned the cabal, the collusion of the National Governors Association.I also forewarned in numerous articles regarding the concentration of power and information hidden from public purview of the NGA. How did slut-dictator mendenhall operate so closely with the dictatorial executions of the governors? She must have had the same information, including times when the tactics switched and how the chaos was to be exploited.

That slut exploited you and I, and means to rule. She is a puppet dictator, no doubt, but what sick, demented mind does what she and the lying governors did. Mendenhall and dementocrat mayors all over the country have access to organized, conspiratorial, dictatorial backing. The progressive bolsheviks who hardly nobody notices, are coaching, directing, and killing, and slut-dictator mendenhall is in the cabal, thick as thieves. She showed it when she decided she was looking to destroy OUR representative process. She should be tried and hung for treason.

Treason to We, the People is criminal. Treason to we, the democracy, our democracy, we, the dementocrat party, is not treason. Our treason to a ruling class of political elitists is our gift to ourselves and future generations, like our founding fathers.

When people become politicians they surrender their “We the People” membership to be we, the servants of the People. This is something We, the People have lost from public memory, wiped clean by the democracy mongers backed by international globalist bolshevism, in America known as progressives and liberals.

Some argue that liberals are still an acceptable part of our demographic. I argue that they are not anywhere close to being liberal, libertarian, or liberty minded, placing them on the tyranny end of the scale, where they currently reside in reality, colluding with the bolshevik progressives.  

We the People of Utah contacted our representatives and instructed them to do what they did. They made law in behalf of We, the People, in OUR self-governing Constitutional Republic, and that dictator slut stole it all. NOPE. She tried. She will pay!

Masks on children are devilish and that whore is a devil’s advocate.

Such a bolshevik slut. The mental moral sickness and hatred for our representative process, is obvious. Just look at the lying, filthy whore. Such disregard for science and We, the People. Look at her. She looks sluttish and evil.

Where does that slut get her coaching? Who, what is guiding her to lie and cheat and steal and destroy our representative process?

When a sluttish dictator, mendenhall talks of global warming, by any name, and corrupt corporations; when a dictatorial whore, mendenhall, uses covid anti-science to rule; when a slut lies regarding her seemingly self-determined pursuit of breaking with OUR representative process, lying about everything and falling in with institutionalized liars (media), we know everything she claims is a lie.

Slut Mendenhall’s goal is chaos. She invited those bastard, and I mean illegitimate, police forces (BLM and antifa) to OUR state to help her rule in contravention to OUR representative process. Her democracy, in bed with the NGA whores of globalism, and coached and directed, hidden from public scrutiny and control, puts her in collusion, a real insurrection of globalist dementocracies of the world, particularly American bolshevism.

Bolshevism is not just murder. It is not just tyrannical rule. It is not just mean and ravaging. It is not just a survivable amount of deception and theft. It is blood sacrifice of the masses and slut dictator mendenhall volunteered for it because she is a demented, whorish, devil. She is a liar of everything that comes from her yap. Her spouse, whatever, is part of the cabal and both will hang.